Can Catholics In Good Standing Murder Babies?

Rockford, IL – ( – 1-24-2013 – Below is an article from Dr. Ed Peters. Dr. Peters is a respected Canon lawyer who believes Catholics who support abortion should not be excommunicated. We have placed our commentary in blood red.

The latest excommunication call

January 23, 2013

Alexis de Tocqueville once observed that “Every generation is a new people.” Demographers reckon a generation at 20-25 years, so that means that every 20-25 years, a lot of folks need a lot of things explained to them that their parents and grandparents take for granted. No big deal, we just do it.

(It seems Dr. Peters believes he is the one to explain to pro-lifers why Catholic politicians who slaughter the unborn should remain in the Church.)

But on the internet, it seems that every month is a new generation, so that means that about once a month, questions arise that many of us have treated numerous times in the past (He may have “treated” a lot of questions, but babies are still being slaughtered by pro-abortion politicians who are Catholics in good standing.). Problem is, these allegedly novel questions shoot through cyberspace with amazing speed, agitating a new ‘generation’ of readers whose awareness of history is also quite diminished. (Seems Dr. Peters thinks all Catholics who believe politicians who slaughter millions of unborn children are idiots for believing you can’t be Catholic and murder babies.)

The result is confusion and clamor over things that have pretty well settled answers (Things will never be settled until the legal murder of babies is ended.) This happens especially frequently in regard to canon law. A few weeks ago, for example, it was Let’s excommunicate Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn for supporting ‘gay marriage’. ( The call for the excommunication of Gov. Quinn was based on Quinn’s support for sodomite marriage and for promoting abortion.)

Now, it’s Let’s excommunicate New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo for his latest push to expand abortion in what is perhaps the most pro-abortion state in the union. Sins, to be sure, these deeds, but canonical crimes? and ones punishable by excommunication at that? I suggest not, as many of us have discussed many times. (While the babies are being slaughtered, it’s time to stop “discussing” and time to take steps to end the slaughter.)

(Here are the reasons why Gov. Cuomo’s past and present actions that have resulted in the murder of babies are canonical crimes: These five reasons are grounds for excommunication.

1-Procuring of abortion. By his policies Gov. Cuomo is helping and directly responsible for thousands of women procuring abortions in New York

2-Apostasy: The total rejection of the Christian faith. By his slaughter of thousands of innocent babies, Gov. Cuomo is making a mockery of the Catholic faith. You cannot murder babies with one hand and say Jesus is Lord with the other. Would Jesus Who said, “Whatever you do to the least of My people you do unto Me” say a person who is actively attempting to murder thousands of babies has rejected the Faith?

3-Heresy: The obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth, which must be believed with divine and Catholic Faith. Gov. Cuomo who claims to be Catholic denies the truth that all human beings are created in the image and likeness of God. He denies the right to life of thousands of children. He denies all the Church teaches concerning the lives of the unborn. Gov. Cuomo denies the Commandment, “You shall not kill.”

4- Schism: The rejection of the authority and jurisdiction of the Pope as head of the Church. Gov. Cuomo has clearly denied and in every way humanly possible attacked the authority of the Pope concerning the Gospel of Life.

5- Desecration of sacred species, Holy Communion. Gov. Cuomo uses the same hand to receive the Blessed Sacrament that he uses to sign laws that have resulted in the direct and intentional murder of countless thousands of children. If this is not desecration, then nothing is.) 

Some bloggers really should google a bit before they post (We don’t base our call for the excommunication of politicians who are responsible for the mass murder of babies on “google”.)

If they did so in the Cuomo case, they’d find out, among other things, that politicians are not subject to excommunication for abortion under Canon 1398 (the only canon remotely relevant to their situation), that Canon 915 is a much more appropriate response to the scandal (Please see the five points above. Cuomo, Quinn, and Pelosi should be excommunicated today – they are directly and intentionally responsible for murder and the ongoing murder of babies.) of the prominent pro-abortion Catholic politico, and that Cuomo has already been the subject of an extensive discussion in regard to his eligibility for Communion (That’s nice that his mass murder of babies has been “discussed); indeed, they’d probably find out that Cuomo is apparently refraining from approaching for holy Communion on his own. (Apparently is not good enough.  Gov. Cuomo must be removed from the Church for his own good, the good of the Church, and as a sign to all people that the Catholic Church does not allow unrepentant and active mass murderers to remain Catholics in good standing.)

Can the canonical ante be upped further? Sure, but not by blog-driven public pressure on Catholic bishops (When the Bishops are silent as in the sexual abuse crisis, the people have a duty to speak. Dr. Peters, lay people do matter in the Church.) for politico-excommunications under a Code that at present does not punish activities such as Cuomo’s or Quinn’s with a penalty such as excommunication (You are wrong, Dr. Peters.  Look at the five points above.  Just look at the history of the Church. You will see excommunications of politicians for less serious offenses than the mass murder that Quinn, Cuomo, and Pelosi are responsible for).  

So, those distressed, and rightly so, by Cuomo’s or Quinn’s politics and specifically desirous of seeing them excommunicated, have, as I see it, two options: either (a) petition the pope to rewrite one or more canons of Book VI of the Code to excommunicate them; (Don’t need to, the codes are there here and now.)or (b) petition the bishops of New York and Illinois to enact particular legislation leading to their governors’ excommunications (We are petitioning these Bishops to have courage and act now). I think both ideas are, for several reasons, problematic, but they seem within the bounds of what a Catholic could suggest. As for exploring the mechanics of such papal or episcopal canonical drafting, that’s beyond the scope of this blog. For now I simply note the idea. Again.

(No, Dr. Peters we have a third option.  We can ask our Bishops to take a public stand and go toe to toe with Catholic politicians who mass murder babies in the womb.  Many Catholic lay people stand on the front lines at abortion mills across the country and are physically assaulted and abused.  We need Bishops who don’t tremble at the sound of the liberal press and will remove from the Church right now any Catholic politician who has advocated the mass murder of babies in the womb.  If they do not, it can be truly said the Catholic Church accepts Her members can remain Catholics in good standing while they work toward and make possible the vicious and brutal extermination of millions upon millions of children. The time for fear and trembling is over.   The third way, the only way, is to excommunicate these baby killers NOW!) 

In the meantime, may I suggest prayers and fasting for Gov. Cuomo’s and Quinn’s repentance? They stand in great need of turning from the evils they support, and such acts on our part would improve the state of our souls, as well. (Yes, Dr. Peters, you may suggest prayer and fasting.  It must be our starting point, but if we only pray and fast and take no action against the Catholic politicians who are the builders of the culture of death, our prayer and fasting will be as dead as the babies these “Catholics” slaughter in their abortion mills.) 





10 thoughts on “Can Catholics In Good Standing Murder Babies?

  1. Well, to answer your question, yes, according to the Bishops a Catholic can murder babies and be a Catholic in good standing.

    I just wonder on judgment day if those Bishops will be in good standing with God.

    (Apparently is not good enough. Gov. Cuomo must be removed from the Church for his own good, the good of the Church, and as a sign to all people that the Catholic Church does not allow unrepentant and active mass murderers to remain Catholics in good standing.)

  3. You shot down the false argument that Catholic can murder babies and still be Catholic. Dr. Peters just defends his position to protect the Bishops from having to take action.

  4. Can Catholics In Good Standing Murder Babies?

    Are Biden, Pelosi, Durbin, and Quinn still Catholic? Yes.

    So the answer to “Can Catholics In Good Standing Murder Babies?” is Yes.

    Is it any wonder the new evangilazation is a not working.

  5. The issue here isn’t whether or not Cuomo is doing something despicable. He is.

    The question is whether the specific penalty of excommunication applies here. Dr. Peters says it does not, and the commendable and formidable Fr. Z does not appear to take issue with him on this point (cf. Given that two well-respected sources say that the specific penalty of excommunication does not apply in this case, I am content.

    Further, although the Editor cites Scripture in defense of his own position, he does not quote any canons to back up his case for a *canonical* consequence. Since excommunication is a grave penalty, I would like to see the Editor make specific quotes from specific canons to back up his position. The more grave the accusation, the greater need for evidence to back it up.

    Once again, the question is not whether Dr. Peters is defending pro-abortion politicians. The question is whether the penalty of excommunication applies in this case.

    • Hi Aquinas Girl,

      1. Yes, the specific penalty of excommunication applies here without doubt. Look at the five reasons above that are all grounds for excommunication.
      Cuomo breaks them all in his blood lust to slaughter the unborn.

      2. Do you really think the Church cannot excommunicate a person who is actively engaged in mass murder?

      3. Please look at the dead bodies of the babies above – and multiply that by millions. Do you really think a person can do that and remain a Catholic in good standing?

      4. Canon 1398: Canon 751 and 1364 and 1398.

      5. Common sense tells us the mass murder of babies places a person outside of the Church – unless we have a Church that does not mind Her members slaughtering babies by the millions.

      6. It also comes down to the question, “Can a Catholic murder and continue to murder millions of children and remain a Catholic in good standing?
      Dr. Peters says yes, I say no – you decide for yourself. As for me and my house we will side with the the murdered babies.

  6. A new cultural climate is developing and taking hold, which gives crimes against life a new and-if possible-even more sinister character, giving rise to further grave concern: broad sectors of public opinion justify certain crimes against life in the name of the rights of individual freedom, and on this basis they claim not only exemption from punishment but even authorization by the State, so that these things can be done with total freedom.… The end result of this is tragic: not only is the fact of the destruction of so many human lives still to be born or in their final stage extremely grave and disturbing, but no less grave and disturbing is the fact that conscience itself, darkened as it were by such widespread conditioning, is finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish between good and evil in what concerns the basic value of human life. PJII

    If the Church can’t figure out that politicians who promote abortion are no longer Catholic then even the church can’t, “distinguish between good and evil in what concerns the basic value of human life.”

  7. Dr. Peter’s admitted that Cuomo wants to expand abortion in NY, which is already the most pro-abortion state in the union and then said, “Sins, to be sure, these deeds, but CANONICAL CRIMES?” Even Vatican II declared abortion to be an “unspeakable crime”:

    “For God, the Lord of life, has conferred on men the surpassing ministry of safeguarding life in a manner which is worthy of man. Therefore from the moment of its conception life must be guarded with the greatest care while abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes.” (Guadium Et Spes, 51:3)

    So what’s the difference between an “unspeakable crime” as declared by the Catholic Church and a “canonical crime?” So Dr. Peter’s is saying that it’s “A OK” to be a Catholic Governor who publically advocates and perpetuates unspeakable crimes on humanity and remain a Catholic in good standing because in the Church it’s not a “canonical crime”. That’s what it sounds like to me.

    I’m a Catholic resident of NY State who is sickened by Cuomo’s policies but more so that he remains a Catholic in good standing and brings such dishonor and shame upon the Church, the Body of Christ. Lord Jesus, mercy.

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